Re: [atlarge-discuss] DNSO-GA arguments belong elsewhere!

["todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
Cc: <eric@hi-tek.com>; "Bruce Young" <Bruce@barelyadequate.info>; "At-Large
Discussion List" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] DNSO-GA arguments belong elsewhere!


> Todd and all stakeholders or interested parties,
>
> todd glassey wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > To: <eric@hi-tek.com>
> > Cc: "Bruce Young" <Bruce@barelyadequate.info>; "At-Large Discussion
List"
> > <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 4:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] DNSO-GA arguments belong elsewhere!
> >
> > > Eric and all stakeholders or interested parties,
> > >
> > > eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > May we hold a few truths to be self evident?
> > > >
> > > > The Internet must be not restricted yet governed.  Not by fiat or
> > > > proclamation.  But by the will of the users.
> > >
> > >   I would add:  "and only by the stakeholders/users"...
> >
> > there are no organizations that actually represent the users of the
Internet
> > that I know of, only those doing business on the Internet and those
> > expending money for Internet Resources.
>
>   Well we do.  So that is at least one.

No we dont. We represent the interests of Domain Owners and Operations and
ICANN represents itself at this time. So who were you referring to?

> Hence I am puzzled that
> you would make this statement as you can imagine given your
> private posts to me earlier, Todd...

My apologies. It was not my intent to confuse or mislead you.

> As I understand it, you are
> also awaiting membership information for yourself in the IDNO
> as well.

Sort of. But I am not holding my breath. Its a week later... And you know I
have not gotten anything from the IDNO list server in a week and since the
webserver at http://www.idno.org/ (or  63.175.98.35 ) is kaput, my feeling
is tha it is likely that IDNO has been shot down in flames.

> Aren't they supposed to represent users to an extent?

No they were supposed to represent the Individual Domain Name Owners, not
the Internet Users. The Internet Users is everone that uses the Internet in
its totality which makes its potential number somewhere upwards of 6B.

> Aren't some if not many users also domain name holders/owners
> as well Todd?

Yes of course they are, Likewise there are hundreds of millions of others
that are not domain-centric or ICANN related, but that are touched on a
daily basis by what ICANN does and does not do.

> And aren't some of those stakeholders/usres
> members of various other well publicized organizations
> such as CDT?  I believe that some are.

Yes one would hope. But how is that equated to ICANN taking an input from
the "Internet Users of the World" as a General Atlarge group?

>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any matter that interferes with Access, Reliability and Stability is
to
> > be
> > > > avoided.
> > >
> > >   I would add: "or as otherwise specified for specific penelities can
be
> > > inforced and/or otherwise imposed"   than list those specific
instances...
> > > Bla bla bla, ect. ect, Example, example... and so forth
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Innovation and alternative solutions are to be supported and
> > incorporated into
> > > > the community of the Internet.
> > >
> > >   Good sugestion here..
> >
> > As to what deliverable though?
>
>   The deliverable(s) could be many and varied or only a few as well as
> yet to be determined and in the future.
>
> > Is this forum to be qualified as competent
> > for designing and if so for what?
>
>   As competent as any, yes.  Others opinion of course may vary.  Does
> yours Todd?

be careful with accepting a negative connotation with my use of the term
competent herein Jeff.  Competency is a technical measure of ones ability or
preparedness to do a job. Nothing more. Its not a nasty term until you
attach a value judgement to it.

As to my opinion, it varies depending on what I am talking about. But I very
consistant with issuing the same opinions no matter where I am, i.e. in a
close room with one or two others, or in a public forum like this. That
makes my opinion stable. Not competent but stable. Competency in others is
something that we all have to judge for ourselves .

>
> >
> >



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