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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Internet Registry of Canada Charged
Ted and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
W. E. (Ted) Murray wrote:
> Wednesday, October 30, 2002, 8:08:41 PM, you wrote:
>
> JW> Danny and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
>
> JW> From this it seems that all is not well in Canada, much to Judyth's
> JW> and Ted's chagrin I am sure... It seems that our friends to the north,
> JW> good friends that they surely are, also have their Internet policy
> JW> and practice problems as well... Such is life...
>
> Jeff: Do your homework before you "spew".
Spew? Really now Ted? Get ahold of yourself... :(
> Danny has pointed out a
> "scam" situation not unlike many others which have been noted on this
> list earlier.
Yes I know that Ted <sigh>....
> If one was to take the time to research properly you
> would note that the Internet Registry of Canada is not a CIRA
> sanctioned registrar.
Yes and exactly to the gist of my comments....
> This fact is something which, especially with
> the guise in which their solicitations were presented, was lost on the
> unsuspecting individuals targeted.
Indeed true, and also already known Ted. None the less this
has little to do with what you characterize as my "Spew"...
> The truth is, the system here "is"
> working and those who would abuse it are being identified and pursued.
Yes also I noted that in my comments indirectly Ted... <Sigh>
>
>
> I believe, with some editorial licence, what Danny was trying to
> convey is the fact that this sort of situation continues and will
> continue until we establish an effective governance model for the net.
Whether we do or not this sort of thing will continue... And THAT
was part of my point in my comments, TED.... Sheeesh...
>
> Moreover what is needed is an educational/informational process
> whereby netcitizens can easily determine fact from fiction when
> confusing and/or misleading items appear in their inbox.
Pipe dream here I am afraid. But it sounds good...
> This is
> precisely the space where our "floundering" atlarge effort needs to
> establish a presence and can truly serve the global Internet
> community.
Very much agreed here. But it is not the ONLY place, certainly.
Nor is it perhaps the most important place where our "Fledgling"
ATLARGE effort needs to establish a strong and meaningful
presence that will server the broad, and maybe even the
global stakeholder/user community...
>
>
> Jeff, think before you "spew".
WHat "Spew" TED? That is your own construence, skewed as it
obviously is or you are trying to make it... Ted, you need to try not
to characterize what anyone says to your own skewed or personal
view or appearance... Such is not helpful, not productive, and
overly obstructive at times...
> I thought I conveyed that to you
> during your late night "courtesy" phone call ....
Surprised you eh! LOL! I just bet it did!
> Do not bother
> repeating it please.
Oh, I got out of that call all that I needed. Thanks anyway.
But no, I would not make such a call at all had not you been so
incorrect in your incessant inaccurate and personal attacking
comments towards me...
>
>
> JW> Now Ted, weren't you offering to do some hosting and DNS
> JW> work for our organization?
> JW> See: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg01019.html
>
> And furthermore Jeff, please get your facts right. I believe you
> are referring to an exchange between Tim and Jefsey here. I have
> nothing to do with the post you allude to.
Hummm? you are the author are you not?
>
>
> JW> Oh and Ted, again BTW you also misquoted me again here
> JW> in this reference archived post.
> JW> Your quote was "I have been looking at it and the problem is that some
> JW> of the name-services.com Nameservers are down
> JW> (specifically NS1 and NS5). Jeff Williams mentioned
> JW> that the IP addresses are wrong in the Whois, but that
> JW> won't necessarily cause a problem so long as the
> JW> Nameservers are correct."
>
> JW> All 5 DNS servers are misconfigured, not just the examples
> JW> I provided. Did you happen to do a reverse lookup on all of them?
> JW> Seems not...
>
> JW> Did you happen to do a DIG on any of them Ted?
>
> JW> DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
>
> >> Ottawa, October 28, 2002 - The Competition Bureau announced today that
> >> charges were laid in Toronto against the Internet Registry of Canada and its
> >> principals under the Competition Act's misleading representations and
> >> deceptive telemarketing provisions.
> >>
> >> The Competition Bureau alleges that the Internet Registry of Canada, which
> >> offered an Internet domain name registration service, marketed its services
> >> by sending mail solicitations that appeared to be invoices sent on behalf of
> >> the Government of Canada or an officially sanctioned agency registering
> >> domain names in Canada, to individuals and organisations whose domain names
> >> were about to expire. The mailings allegedly gave the impression that domain
> >> name holders were existing customers of, and had to re-register their domain
> >> names with, the Internet Registry of Canada which was not true.
> >>
> >> Charged along with the company were James Tetaka and Daniel Klemann. Mr.
> >> Tetaka was recently charged with respect to another matter,
> >> Yellowbusiness.ca., which was also charged under the Competition Act with
> >> respect to allegedly deceptive mail solicitations.
> >>
> >> "These charges reflect the Bureau's ongoing efforts to ensure that Canadian
> >> consumers are protected from deceptive marketing practices," said Raymond
> >> Pierce, Deputy Commissioner, Fair Business Practices Branch. "We will
> >> continue to thoroughly investigate such cases, particularly where the
> >> individuals responsible move from one deceptive practice to another."
> >>
> >> Consumers who suspect they have been the victim of deceptive marketing
> >> practices or who want information on the application of the Competition Act
> >> should contact the Bureau's Information Centre at 1-800-348-5358, or visit
> >> our Web site at www.cb-bc.gc.ca.
> >>
> >> The Competition Bureau is an independent law enforcement agency which ensures
> >> that all Canadians enjoy the benefits of a competitive economy. It oversees
> >> the application of the Competition Act, the Consumer Packaging and Labelling
> >> Act, the Textile Labelling Act and the Precious Metals Marking Act.
> >> http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/ct02442e.html
> >>
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> W. E. (Ted) Murray - KnowCon Inc. (Knowledge Consultants)
> Voice: (613)833-3194 or (613)795-1353
> Email: Fred@knowcon.ca
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