Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: WG-DNS name protection

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Ted and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  I agree with you here Ted as far as getting to the real business
of this organization.

  I cannot prevent the yammering and personal slurs hurled at my
person or in the name or my fellow Texans.  But I also cannot
just ignore such nonsensical slurs either.  Hence the seemingly
endless and nearly worthless dialog on this and a couple
of other threads.

  I will not and cannot let such nonsense and slurs go unchallenged
on a public forum, regardless of whom they are wrongly hurled
at.  As you should have noticed I strongly objected to Stephen's
slurs hurled towards Sotiris and his Web Page demo as well after
being ASK to provide it!  Disgustingly amazing of Stephen!

  Hence Ted, I didn't start these fights.  But I also am not running
from it either.  There is a chorus line in a country western
song that goes like this:  "you've got to stand for something, or
you'll stand for anything"...

W. E. (Ted) Murray wrote:

> Saturday, October 19, 2002, 12:01:25 AM, you wrote:
>
> Please people.  Don't you realize that, as dysfunctional as this
> attempted "at Large" is, acknowledging and responding to Jeff Williams
> only further hijacks the agenda?   Many have recommended that his
> contributions be filtered and I strongly endorse this.  Let Jeff spew
> his inarticulate pontifications (cripes, now I am falling into the
> trap :-( but ignore them.  Judyth/Chris/Michael/et. al. do any of you
> seriously believe that you can "win" an argument with Mr. Williams?
> Think again as his ability to foment inconsequential dialogue appears
> to be unending.
>
> I have "left" this community several times out of disgust, returning
> occasionally to see if there might yet be "life".  Yes, one could argue
> that "life" only comes with individual sacrifice.  However I, like
> most of you, have sufficient obligations and dedications now which
> garner my attention and which make further volunteering contingent
> upon seeing at least plausible accomplishment.  This is not a rant
> folks but what I suspect to be a perspective shared by many.
>
> This discourse around "Texas", like so many other Jeff Williams
> induced "monologues", does little to retain members and most certainly
> does absolute disservice to the mission of attracting new
> participation.
>
> Can we get back to David's proposed by-laws and substantive issues
> that provide focus to working group efforts?
>
>               Be seeing you ...... Ted.
>
> eesn> At 12:52 -0700 2002/10/18, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >>  Where might such a place like you mention, be Judyth?  I would like to >move there if it actually exists!  But of course this is just BS isn't it?
> >>Nice try Judyth, no cigar though...
>
> eesn> Try heading north of the 49th parallel. Lots of your fellow-Americans do!
> eesn> No BS -- "peace, order, and (sorta) good government" if you disregard the graft that politicians do everywhere. Low crime, public schools hurting for money don't need to spend it on armed
> eesn> guards and security cameras, and you can walk anywhere but a handful of streets in the whole country at any hour of day or night. (Heck, we even know how to count ballots!)
>
> eesn> Yes, taxes *are* higher here but we get well-lighted streets, decent education, and better, more accessible health care for it. Yes, our social safety net is rather strained thanks to incessant
> eesn> pressure from south of the border. But no, we haven't exchanged the rule of law for the "right" to settle our differences with bullets, and we don't intend to.
>
> >>Good citizenship requires good healthy knowledge of the truth, not
> >>wishful thinking.  This is of course not ever to say that
> >>wishful thinking is not useful as part of good citizenship, it is.
> >>But dealing with reality is a far more important element of good >citizenship...
>
> eesn> Indeed it is. Democracy functions well only when the citizenry is well-informed and can vote rationally on the issues. That's one reason it's important that all citizens be as well-educated, as
> eesn> aware of their civic responsibilities, and as able to access information as possible. It's also one reason we Canadians place such emphasis on issues like Internet access for all, citizen
> eesn> participation in public hearings and online consultations, involvement in intergovernmental bodies, and the pursuit of social justice at home and abroad.
>
> eesn> Maintaining democracy is *hard work*, as the signers of the U.S. Declaration of Independence knew. It's not just hard on elected representatives and appointees but also on the citizenry which
> eesn> must be vigilant to keep them honest and responsive.
>
> eesn> Different states seem to foster this approach to different degrees. I apologize for the cheap shot at Texas -- Lord knows it applies every bit as much to Florida (where I have family, too) and
> eesn> other states -- but you can consider us up here in Canada as a sort of extra-large, extra-snowy version of Vermont [;-)] where there never were any gunslingers and there's a strong tradition of
> eesn> rational argument in and out of the courts.
>
> eesn> Maybe that's why I tend to grow impatient when people make ill-informed comments or try to reduce democracy to mudslinging in environments like this.
>
> eesn> Regards,
>
> eesn> Judyth
>
> eesn> ===
>
> eesn> Extract from a review of Michael Moore's film "Bowling for Columbine"
> eesn> by Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman
> eesn> <http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/corp-focus/>
>
> >>[snip]
> >>In one scene, Moore, a lifetime member of the National Rifle
> >>Association, goes to door to door in Toronto, Canada, doesn't knock, and
> >>just walks in.
> >>
> >>Apparently, in Canada, many people don't lock their doors.
> >>
> >>This in a country, Canada, where there are 7 million guns for a
> >>population of 33 million.
> >>
> >>But in Canada there are fewer than 400 gun deaths a year.
> >>
> >>In the United States, we hit 400 in two weeks -- that's 11,000 gun
> >>deaths a year.
> >>
> >>In the U.S., eight children under the age of 18 are killed by guns in
> >>America every day.
> >>
> >>Moore raises a disturbing question: if it's just the guns, stupid, then
> >>how come Canadians are not slaughtering themselves the way we are
> >>slaughtering ourselves?
> >>[snip]
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> W. E. (Ted) Murray  -  KnowCon Inc.  (Knowledge Consultants)
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