Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] MOTION PROPOSAL: was WG-WEB: responses to Jamie

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

Good morning all!

I request that the previous ballot on the selection of a name for our
organisation be declared "invalid" and that we ballot the members
specifically on whether they want "Icann" in our name - "YES" or "NO"

This democratic clarification is needed for the following reason:

The vote was meant to be held between names which we were able to control,
and names not under our control were excluded from the ballot.

Since the vote (which itself was unbalanced by new information and
statements during the course of the vote), it has become apparent that WE DO
NOT HAVE ACCESS OR CONTROL of the name icannatlarge.org

I have already reported that this name is "On Hold" and the situation has
deteriorated since 29th September when the registrant was "locked out" - he
is not locked out because of misconfigured nameservers. He would be locked
out whatever nameservers he wished to employ - because the name is "Locked"
and he cannot change the nameservers of use the name at all. I believe you
will find that NSI has reclaimed control of this name, until such time as it
is 'dropped' and snapped up by someone else.

Even Jefsey, the owner, states as follows:

> because icannatlarge.org has been put on
> hold it does not resolve anymore and the current confirguation which is
> inadequate but which worked cannot be mended.

Clear statement by the owner of the name: it "has been put ON HOLD"

Clear statement by the owner of the name: the configuration "CANNOT BE
MENDED"

Jefsey also states:

> I own the name, but have no access to it to
> update it or even renew it.

Please understand, this domain is inaccessible, cannot be used, cannot even
be renewed - because NSI has taken it belong access, and beyond renewal, and
reclaimed control of it

WE CANNOT USE THIS NAME

Somebody said: this could be solved in 10 hours.
Show me! Even Jefsey, the owner, will tell you this is impossible.
This name is inaccessible and beyond our control.
Therefore we have an unusable name.

Therefore I request that the previous ballot on the selection of a name for
our organisation be declared "invalid" and that we ballot the members
specifically on whether they want "Icann" in our name - "YES" or "NO"

The ballot was "invalid" because the name icannatlarge.org was not. after
all, available for our use.

Furthermore, the election process was marred, and the process itself failed
to clarify that a majority of our membership wanted "Icann" in our name.

I now request a clarification of this issue, which is important for the
determination of the future direction for this organisation.

As Judyth Mermelstein has stated, many people want no narrow identification
with ICANN and its agenda, and I believe we have to clarify this issue.

Richard Henderson

Postscript: If anyone opposes my contentions, I request that effect ONE
thing: put up a webpage at www.icannatlarge.org ... just ONE page... within
24 hours... within 3 days ... within 7 days ... within 14 days...

You simply won't be able to!

And with that I rest my case, formally seeking a resolution and selection of
a name that we can actually control and use.


(Please also read footnote to this mail, scroll down...)

----- Original Message -----
From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
To: <atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] MOTION PROPOSAL: was
WG-WEB: responses to Jamie


> Dear Jeff,
> what you do not understand is that because icannatlarge.org has been put
on
> hold it does not resolve anymore and the current confirguation which is
> inadequate but which worked cannot be mended.
>

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Further footnote from Richard on the status of www.icannatlarge.org :

 As it is no longer in VeriSign registrar database and is only in VeriSign
*registry* database, that's what the
WHOIS output means : it's been reclaimed by the registry, possibly because
(as Jefsey said on 4th Oct) the name was due for renewal at the BEGINNING of
this year. There is registry output, not *registrar* output. The registrar
WHOIS output says it has no record, at all. That means:
1. that it will be dropped soon
2. less likely but possible, that it will be hoarded by VeriSign as it does
with many names for which money is owing, probably to appear once WLS goes
live. VeriSign is secretive about what it does with hoarded names. One thing
seems clear to me. The name is in THEIR control. We cannot have a
functioning website using icannatlarge.org. It's not accessible.

The whois lookups that have been published on this mailing list come from
the *registry* database. The thin registry whois just points to the
registrar, the registrar says 'sorry, don't know any such name'. That means
it has been dropped by the registrar but that hasn't yet been picked up by
the registry, and may not be if it is on hold indefinitely and/or is being
hoarded.

The name is 'on hold'. It may in due course be dropped, but if there's money
owing they may hoard it rather than drop it. But I believe Jefsey is not now
the registrant of icannatlarge.org and I doubt he will be in future so his
offer to pass it on is probably now null and void. The Registrar records do
not now recognise this name. In effect, Jefesey's period as registrant is
over. Only the registry record remains, and that has the name on hold,
either to be locked long-term or dropped at some unknown stage in the future
and snapped up by who knows who.

Based on NSI's track record, this name could be frozen and inaccessible for
months - in some cases it is years. Thereafter, a hostile registrant may
register it.

WE NEED A NEW NAME



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