Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [Outreach] Re: [atlarge-discuss] WG-OUTREACH 004 - E-mail group and administrivia

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Judyth and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  So Judyth did you type/say all this in one breath?  >;)  In any event
I must say that you have a gift for gab!  >;)
( More and corrections to Judyths comments below )

espresso@e-scape.net wrote:

> At 19:14 -0700 2002/10/22, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >  Where are the archives and how do other future participants
> >subscribe? icann-at-large.org is not our official Website and
> >to my knowledge we have yet to determine anyone as secretariat
> >of the WG-Outreach...
>
> Just to set the record straight, Jeff's *own* first message to the Outreach list set up by Jefsey (using Mailman, which does have archiving ability) included the following in the message header (as do all Mailman lists unless you tell them to do otherwise):

  Judyth when I sent this response the archives were empty.  I see
that again immediately after I sent it Jefsey had the problem
fixed.

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>

-snippage -

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> An invitation has gone out to the membership asking those interested to subscribe. A number of postings from the [atlarge-discuss] relating to outreach questions have already been archived, as well as messages posted to the [Outreach] list directly.

  Yes this is accurate to a point.  However those messages did not include
nor mention anything of the nature of using a DN that is NOT our
organizations DN which is again ICANNATLARGE.ORG.  Hence
you are attempting a bit of spin here or you are very forgetful...


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> >  This seems to be a bit messed up Jefsey...  Bad idea...???
>
> Only insofar as it seems not to have stopped your endless insistence that the mailing list must be run from the same server as the Web site.

  Not must, but should.  Sure we can run a ML from any server that
will host such a ML.  But how does that look or seem as to our
creditability, Judyth?  I think it makes us look like a bunch of
silly fools or worse...

> Since delivery is by e-mail, browser and connection problems over "too many redirects" should not arise, especially since we're not talking about multiple redirects to get from the main site to the list subscription page.

  This isn't what I was referencing Judyth.  Your not paying attention again.
Please try to.  I was AGAIN referencing that some of our WG-Outreach
members will have trouble sending E-Mail from the server this list
of Jefsey's (Note, not this organizations) due to too many hops.

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> Personally, I'm grateful to Jefsey for taking the initiative and offering to host the list for us.

  I am not so sure yet whether this is a good thing or not.  What I am sure of
is that Jefsey has had configuration problems in the past that caused us
members allot of wasted time.  Hence I am a bit concerned that something
similar of various technical possibilities will again occur.  And now we
already have one.

> Note, too, that he has set up lists for WG-DNS and WG-Web which people can also join via http://icann-at-large.org/mailman/listinfo/
> and would probably be kind enough to do the same for any other WG that requests it.

  Yes I noted that Judyth.  But thank you again for pointing it out none the
less.  I am sure others will fine that helpful.  Still in any event,
ICANN-AT-LARGE is NOT the DN that we all voted for as our
web site DN presence.  Hence we are by using this DN confusing
or potentially confusing future members as well as the public at-large,
if you will be so kind as to pardon the obvious irony...

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> As for the Secretariat question, secretarial duties are usually the very last thing anyone wants to do so I offered to do it myself. With over 30 years' experience on various committees and boards, I'm pretty much used to the need for somebody to do the scutwork.

  I have no problem with anyone being the secretary Judyth.  I hope that
you did not have or gather that impression from anything I said.  What I DO
have a problem with is that if as an organization that holds the democratic
principals as central to our organization, that such positions be decided
by those that they may effect.  In this case, or the case of the WG-Outreach,
the members of this WG should make that decision.  Personally I feel that
it would be better if we had only one secretary for the organization
as a whole, and that secretary would be on all of the WG's so as to
better be able to properly conduct that function.  However, I can
see a division of labor in having secretaries for each WG as well.
And such may be a better way to go so as to aid in eliminating
confusion of information amongst WG's.

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> Of course, if you like, we can have an election within the WG-Outreach to see who gets to do it ... especially if you'd care to volunteer your own services.

  I can do pretty much whatever needs to get done.  All anyone needs to do
is ask.  If I have conflicting schedules I will say so in short order, if not
I will proceed ASAP.

> But, given that archiving is now automated and anyone who likes can read the postings, subscribe and participate in WG-Outreach, I expect the role of "Secretariat" will come down to answering the usual "how do I subscribe" questions and drafting periodic summaries of the discussion which will be approved by the WG before being published to the world.

  Perhaps so.  However I think that the secretariat may have some Web
site duties as well for reports and the like...

>
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> However, given your own expressed interests, perhaps you'd like to set up a WG-Criticism where people can get together and criticize everyone and everything else if they like.

  Sour grapes here Judyth.  Again I had hoped you were above this sort
of nonsense.  Not very adult of you, Judyth.  Of course this suggestion
is just silly...

>
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> Meanwhile, please note that since everyone on WG-Outreach is also receiving this general discussion list, there is no need to "cc" the Outreach list when you post to this one. Those of us who have limited connection time and disk space would really appreciate not getting unnecessary duplicates since the traffic here is already pretty high.

  Ok I will post a summary every week on Friday than.  How's that?  >;)

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> Regards,
>
> Judyth
>
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> >J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Richard,
> >> the site http://icann-at-large.org has been opened.
> >> the mailing list outreach@icann-at-large.org has been created withthe
> >> following members.
> >>
> [snip]
> >>
> >> you do what you want with it.
> >> jfc
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