Re: [atlarge-discuss] web page

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Eric and all,

eric@hi-tek.com wrote:

> Thats cute,  within the organization who has authority no one?

  No not cute at all. The membership collectively for the time being
has the authority Eric.  Pretty simple...  It called an "ATLARGE"!
Novel eh?  >;)

>
> Mandates are within and without, I see no restrictions on their internal mandates.

  Than you have not read them...

>
> Can you cite restrictions. I see none and made quiet notice at the time that we made
> no restrictions on our internal matters.

  See archives.  It was Vittorio that posted them..  It was that set of mandates
that we voted for Panel members on.  We all excepted that at that time.
Or at least those that exercised their voting rights/responsibilities did...

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> Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > Eric and all,
> >
> >   You make only one mistake here Eric.  The Panel was elected to a
> > very specific mandate.  Therefore it in no broad sense as you state it
> > below, have authority over all the members in most of the issues
> > being currently discussed.  The panel has no authority to determine
> > what WG's, committees, or Task Forces should or need to be formed
> > nor what or how they are managed or conducted.
> >
> >   None the less you are very correct in my mind anyway that Joop
> > was a bit overzealous in attempting to dictate, instead of suggest
> > in his comments/statement to which you refer...
> >
> > eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
> >
> > > I certainly hope Joop will reconsider this position.
> > >
> > > It is quite Ironic that Joop who has been "not" elected to any position would
> > > tell a group of elected people how it will be in order to preserve democratic
> > > integrity.
> > > Secondly, things change Joop, that ALAC was not in existence to my knowledge
> > > when I joined the membership, now it is getting by-laws approved.
> > > As I am sure you understand we elected our panel to handle all things
> > > internal.
> > > What general membership voting is for is for the process of how we elect and
> > > discharge and matters that are external, and matters that will require
> > > referendum, which will require ratification of a constitution or by-laws.
> > >
> > > But I tell you, you are nothing but an abstructionist snake in the grass if
> > > you refuse a single instruction from one or the whole of our panel.  They have
> > > the authority of being duly elected and each one separately or as a group has
> > > authority over you.  You deny this and there is no point in this whole
> > > movement.
> > > Judyth the panel works for the group, that is called a representative
> > > democracy, you are much brighter than to make such a statement as below.  Do
> > > you want us to vote on what the panel can say to each other? Shall we all vote
> > > to inplace representatives to represent us within our organization or shall we
> > > all get up each day and vote on matters.  I joined a representative type group
> > > and decided my voting matters accordingly.
> > > I do not want to run the damn web site, I want a WG to reach consensus or vote
> > > and then I want our panel to mandate it.  In the absence of such I want our
> > > panel to act, and in the case of a problem I will object, withdraw or revolt.
> > >
> > > But beyond any doubt the panel has authority over the web site.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Eric Dierker
> > >
> > > James Love wrote:
> > >
> > > > How does one determine how the members will decide things, if not via
> > > > elected representatives?  Just having someone claim to speak for members
> > > > isn't that helpful, IMO, given the range of member views.  Jamie
> > > >
> > > > Jamie
> > > >
> > > > Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > > > > At 12:33 p.m. 22/10/2002 -0400, espresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> . We need to make it clear that the webmaster works for the group, not
> > > > >> just for the Panel or its Acting Interim Chair, and decide what will
> > > > >> best serve the interests of the group in terms of process as well as
> > > > >> content.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with all that you said, except the "misleading advertising" for
> > > > > which I take exception.
> > > > > The site has always said "ICANN members" also when you signed up.   It
> > > > > is not something that has been sneaked in later .
> > > > >
> > > > > I know that there are many members who want to change it to "members"
> > > > > and it has been extensively discussed in the Forum. Since it was there
> > > > > at the start, only a majority of those who signed up under it can change
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just to follow your own principles.:)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --Joop
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
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