Re: [atlarge-discuss] web page

[eric@hi-tek.com]

Thats cute,  within the organization who has authority no one?
Mandates are within and without, I see no restrictions on their internal mandates.
Can you cite restrictions. I see none and made quiet notice at the time that we made
no restrictions on our internal matters.
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Jeff Williams wrote:

> Eric and all,
>
>   You make only one mistake here Eric.  The Panel was elected to a
> very specific mandate.  Therefore it in no broad sense as you state it
> below, have authority over all the members in most of the issues
> being currently discussed.  The panel has no authority to determine
> what WG's, committees, or Task Forces should or need to be formed
> nor what or how they are managed or conducted.
>
>   None the less you are very correct in my mind anyway that Joop
> was a bit overzealous in attempting to dictate, instead of suggest
> in his comments/statement to which you refer...
>
> eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
>
> > I certainly hope Joop will reconsider this position.
> >
> > It is quite Ironic that Joop who has been "not" elected to any position would
> > tell a group of elected people how it will be in order to preserve democratic
> > integrity.
> > Secondly, things change Joop, that ALAC was not in existence to my knowledge
> > when I joined the membership, now it is getting by-laws approved.
> > As I am sure you understand we elected our panel to handle all things
> > internal.
> > What general membership voting is for is for the process of how we elect and
> > discharge and matters that are external, and matters that will require
> > referendum, which will require ratification of a constitution or by-laws.
> >
> > But I tell you, you are nothing but an abstructionist snake in the grass if
> > you refuse a single instruction from one or the whole of our panel.  They have
> > the authority of being duly elected and each one separately or as a group has
> > authority over you.  You deny this and there is no point in this whole
> > movement.
> > Judyth the panel works for the group, that is called a representative
> > democracy, you are much brighter than to make such a statement as below.  Do
> > you want us to vote on what the panel can say to each other? Shall we all vote
> > to inplace representatives to represent us within our organization or shall we
> > all get up each day and vote on matters.  I joined a representative type group
> > and decided my voting matters accordingly.
> > I do not want to run the damn web site, I want a WG to reach consensus or vote
> > and then I want our panel to mandate it.  In the absence of such I want our
> > panel to act, and in the case of a problem I will object, withdraw or revolt.
> >
> > But beyond any doubt the panel has authority over the web site.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Eric Dierker
> >
> > James Love wrote:
> >
> > > How does one determine how the members will decide things, if not via
> > > elected representatives?  Just having someone claim to speak for members
> > > isn't that helpful, IMO, given the range of member views.  Jamie
> > >
> > > Jamie
> > >
> > > Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > > > At 12:33 p.m. 22/10/2002 -0400, espresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> . We need to make it clear that the webmaster works for the group, not
> > > >> just for the Panel or its Acting Interim Chair, and decide what will
> > > >> best serve the interests of the group in terms of process as well as
> > > >> content.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree with all that you said, except the "misleading advertising" for
> > > > which I take exception.
> > > > The site has always said "ICANN members" also when you signed up.   It
> > > > is not something that has been sneaked in later .
> > > >
> > > > I know that there are many members who want to change it to "members"
> > > > and it has been extensively discussed in the Forum. Since it was there
> > > > at the start, only a majority of those who signed up under it can change
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > Just to follow your own principles.:)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --Joop
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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