Re: [atlarge-discuss] web page

[eric@hi-tek.com]

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Jeff Williams wrote:

> Eric and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
>
>   Your are now acting the antagonist role here Eric, not I.  You didn't
> read the mandate that we all voted onfor Panelists obviously.
> So please do so. Oh, and no Eric, I am not going to look them
> up again and post them again for you.  Your a big boy and you
> can do that yourself, I am sure.  >;)  Here is a hint, start your search
> by date in the discuss archives beginning on July 13th thru
> Aug., 4th...
>
> If you need a E-Mail archive search facility there are many available
> for free download.  The better ones cost a few bucks...
>
>   Thank you for your cooperation in advance...
>
> eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
>
> > You are wrong and I am right, read them.
> > I will not educate an antagonist.
> > e
> >
> > Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> > > Eric and all,
> > >
> > > eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thats cute,  within the organization who has authority no one?
> > >
> > >   No not cute at all. The membership collectively for the time being
> > > has the authority Eric.  Pretty simple...  It called an "ATLARGE"!
> > > Novel eh?  >;)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Mandates are within and without, I see no restrictions on their internal mandates.
> > >
> > >   Than you have not read them...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Can you cite restrictions. I see none and made quiet notice at the time that we made
> > > > no restrictions on our internal matters.
> > >
> > >   See archives.  It was Vittorio that posted them..  It was that set of mandates
> > > that we voted for Panel members on.  We all excepted that at that time.
> > > Or at least those that exercised their voting rights/responsibilities did...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > e
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Eric and all,
> > > > >
> > > > >   You make only one mistake here Eric.  The Panel was elected to a
> > > > > very specific mandate.  Therefore it in no broad sense as you state it
> > > > > below, have authority over all the members in most of the issues
> > > > > being currently discussed.  The panel has no authority to determine
> > > > > what WG's, committees, or Task Forces should or need to be formed
> > > > > nor what or how they are managed or conducted.
> > > > >
> > > > >   None the less you are very correct in my mind anyway that Joop
> > > > > was a bit overzealous in attempting to dictate, instead of suggest
> > > > > in his comments/statement to which you refer...
> > > > >
> > > > > eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I certainly hope Joop will reconsider this position.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is quite Ironic that Joop who has been "not" elected to any position would
> > > > > > tell a group of elected people how it will be in order to preserve democratic
> > > > > > integrity.
> > > > > > Secondly, things change Joop, that ALAC was not in existence to my knowledge
> > > > > > when I joined the membership, now it is getting by-laws approved.
> > > > > > As I am sure you understand we elected our panel to handle all things
> > > > > > internal.
> > > > > > What general membership voting is for is for the process of how we elect and
> > > > > > discharge and matters that are external, and matters that will require
> > > > > > referendum, which will require ratification of a constitution or by-laws.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But I tell you, you are nothing but an abstructionist snake in the grass if
> > > > > > you refuse a single instruction from one or the whole of our panel.  They have
> > > > > > the authority of being duly elected and each one separately or as a group has
> > > > > > authority over you.  You deny this and there is no point in this whole
> > > > > > movement.
> > > > > > Judyth the panel works for the group, that is called a representative
> > > > > > democracy, you are much brighter than to make such a statement as below.  Do
> > > > > > you want us to vote on what the panel can say to each other? Shall we all vote
> > > > > > to inplace representatives to represent us within our organization or shall we
> > > > > > all get up each day and vote on matters.  I joined a representative type group
> > > > > > and decided my voting matters accordingly.
> > > > > > I do not want to run the damn web site, I want a WG to reach consensus or vote
> > > > > > and then I want our panel to mandate it.  In the absence of such I want our
> > > > > > panel to act, and in the case of a problem I will object, withdraw or revolt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But beyond any doubt the panel has authority over the web site.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Eric Dierker
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James Love wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > How does one determine how the members will decide things, if not via
> > > > > > > elected representatives?  Just having someone claim to speak for members
> > > > > > > isn't that helpful, IMO, given the range of member views.  Jamie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jamie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > > > > > > > At 12:33 p.m. 22/10/2002 -0400, espresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> . We need to make it clear that the webmaster works for the group, not
> > > > > > > >> just for the Panel or its Acting Interim Chair, and decide what will
> > > > > > > >> best serve the interests of the group in terms of process as well as
> > > > > > > >> content.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I agree with all that you said, except the "misleading advertising" for
> > > > > > > > which I take exception.
> > > > > > > > The site has always said "ICANN members" also when you signed up.   It
> > > > > > > > is not something that has been sneaked in later .
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know that there are many members who want to change it to "members"
> > > > > > > > and it has been extensively discussed in the Forum. Since it was there
> > > > > > > > at the start, only a majority of those who signed up under it can change
> > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just to follow your own principles.:)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --Joop
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
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> Regards,
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> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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