Re: [atlarge-discuss] WE WANT ELECTIONS NOT a COUP

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Richard and all,

  I will be my usual blunt and straight forward self and brutally honest
in my response here Richard.

  If the folks you "CC'ed" here are amongst the potential three
so called monitors for an upcoming and future elections, I would
have to say I disagree again with you.  If you recall just not to long
ago our Domain Name changed ownership several times and
was not resolving while in Jefsey's control which he than transferred
it to Hans, and than Marc.  To this day, our organizations domain name
is officially and actually not under our control nor is our web site
as a result in part to this "ring around the rosy" Gamesmanship.
That is hardly honest, now is it?

  Dave, as you should know wishes to use the DNSO GA voting
system which caused much disgruntlement and disagreement in our
last Panel Election, which I have outlined now several times.

  Vittorio, is a staunch ALAC supporter and would lean obviously
towards those that support that ilk and misinformed and deplorable
disgrace as a "At-Large" effort.

  Joop, has been caught several times, and also well documented
in "Fudging" votes case using his "Polling Booth" although the
actual software works or can work well.

  I hope this clarifies and gives you Richard a more informed
and accurate background, some of which you have yourself
witnessed to a degree on this very forum.

  Vivik has been mostly absentee in this organization but is also
known for his adamant support for the ALAC.

  Walt, is mostly interested in CENSORSHIP via list rules which is
hardly a democratic principal.

  Judyth, is very good at keeping people informed of ongoing events
in other perhaps helpful other organizations for this fledgling
organization, and may be a good Monitor for elections for this
organization.  However as you recall she called for me to be
banned from participating and basically accused all TEXANS
as cowboys, which is ludicrous in the extreme.

  So again, I see no recommendations yet that would meet the well
known and widely accepted neutrality of Monitors for elections.
Yet we do still have many options and those would be Monitors
outside of this organization, and a voting process that is not
in the control of any one member.  I am sure you can recognize
that these basic democratic principals and checks and balances
are essential, especially now or at this juncture for this organization.

  I agree with you very strongly that we DO need to get to
action items starting with a newly elected Panel.  We can
accomplish that fairly, honestly and ethically IF we do not
shoot ourselves in the foot again and act responsibly.

Richard Henderson wrote:

> I remain convinced that we can identify three members who (collectively) we
> could trust, and given the early stage of our development, we could just get
> voters to "Reply to All" and get the election results delivered to those
> three trusted members. If one of the members decided to fiddle the results
> (hugely unlikely in my opinion) then the other two would be able to
> contradict them. Get the cc. sent to five members if you like! I can think
> of all kinds of people like Ron Sherwood or Judyth Mermelstein who would die
> rather than corrupt a democratic vote. Add Vivek. Add Walt. Between all our
> members we can certainly find some trustworthy people. Only people who
> certainly couldn't be used would be those who were standing for election
> themselves.
>
> Anyway, I don't mind which method we use. I prefer to keep it "in house".
>
> What sucks is our inertia over the past so many months. Let's just do it!
>
> Richard H
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: DPF <david@farrar.com>
> Cc: Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; Vittorio Bertola
> <vb@bertola.eu.org>; J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@club-internet.fr>;
> <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 3:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] WE WANT ELECTIONS NOT a COUP
>
> > Dave and all,
> >
> >   I disagree Dave.  As  you know the DNSO /GNSO Secretariat
> > is and adamant supporter of ICANN presently.  As you also know
> > and is well documented, the DNSO Voting system is and has been
> > a mess from the beginning.  Hence it's use even in our last election
> > for Panel members is a scenario for yet another political
> > disaster, not to mention void of good integrity.
> >
> > DPF wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 00:42:50 +1300, Joop Teernstra
> > > <terastra@terabytz.co.nz> wrote:
> > >
> > > >At 12:11 a.m. 23/02/2003, DPF wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>The GNSO Secretariat ran the last two for us and if they would be
> > > >>willing to do so again this would seem the best option as they are not
> > > >>associated with any active person.
> > > >
> > > >The disadvantage is that we make ourselves dependent on ICANN.
> > >
> > > The GNSO Secretariat is not actually part of ICANN but is run by the
> > > French ccTLD I think.  I agree they are not a long term solution but
> > > until such time as we are established it seems the best.
> > >
> > > DPF
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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