[atlarge-discuss] Jeff Williams is really Jeff Holt

[Albert Brickel <nonukesnokooks@yahoo.com>]

Jeff Williams has been revealed! 



It has been determined that Jeff Holt of Grapeland, TX, is Jeff Williams of 

Grapevine, TX. 



Follow these threads and see,

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01277.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01317.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01319.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01322.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01325.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01344.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01392.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01478.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01513.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01517.html <<<
http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01574.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01582.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01585.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01607.html





Scroll to the bottom of the list for Jeff Williams lies and antics in 2003.



In response to the following rants from Jeff (Zombie-Kook) Williams find below 

some appropriate information: 



FROM: Jason Watkins 

DATE: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) 

TO: [atlarge-discuss] Reminder: Jeff Williams 

is mentally Ill 





Just a reminder and a repost of the Jeff Williams FAQ. I see that Jeff Williams 

has been writing not as an individual, but in the plural again. Using phrases 

like "At such time as we [INEGroup] have done a complete review" This is just a 

reminder that INEG group does not exist, that Jeff Williams is not to be taken 

seriously, and that he speaks only for himself and not for a group of over 

100,000 people. Frankly it is sad, and I wish he would get help. Regular 

readers will ignore his inane ramblings, but new readers may be tricked into 

replying. Among the "nutsy-cukoo" things he has said in the last few weeks are: 

That he met personally with President George Bush in Waco Texas and that he is 

having secret email conversations with government officials. Here is the rest of 

the FAQ: 

Jeff Williams' FAQ. (99/01) 

-- 1. Who is Jeff Williams? Jeffrey A. Williams, has claimed in postings to 

various lists: 

-- to be the Chief Executive Officer and the Co-Founder of the 4.8 billion 

dollar privately held employee owned INEG. INC 

-- to be the Director of Internet Network Engineering and Senior Java/CORBA 

Engineer for the Information Network Engineering Group, INEG INC. 

-- to be an ex-IBM Fellow, 

-- to have to have graduated from UTD and to have a law degree from SMU Law 

School 

-- to have three degrees, MBA, Masters in Computer Science and Engineering, and 

Law 

-- to have served as a judge for 7 years 

-- to be a member of the IETF -- to serve on several medium sized business 

boards and on the boards of several banks 

-- to be the author of two books and is working on a third 

-- to own 3 ISPs, including Frisco net, Deltanet and Wiltel, with 1.6 million 

users 

-- to have been a fighter pilot with USMC, flying missions in Chile and for the 

DEA, as a reserve pilot in the USMC, stationed out of Grand Prairie air station 

just south of Dallas 

-- to have been acting squadron commander of the Marine combat F4 squadron 

VMF214 (Black Sheep) at Tan Son Nhut during the Viet Nam war 

-- to have spent several years in NIS (Naval Investigative Service) 

-- Graduate of Naval Staff & War College 

-- Retired Colonel, United States Marine Corps -- to own 8% of eBay 



However, 

-- Jeff's 'INEG. INC' does not exist except as a fantasy in Jeff Williams' mind. 

-- Jeff changed the name of the company in his .sig, in Jan 1998, from 

'Information Eng. Group' to Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC., when the 

real Information Engineering Group , became aware 

of Jeff's use of their name. 

-- SMU Law School Registrar's office, (214) 768-2618, disclaims all knowledge of 

Jeff. Jeffrey A. Williams is a fake and an imposter. 

-- 2. Why should I take care in sending private email to Jeff Williams? He may 

post it to the list. Ironically, in his postings of others' private email so far 

the content has been counter-productive to his reputation and credibility. You 

should presume any email to him will posted to the list. 

-- 3. Is there other material available on Jeff Williams? 

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/03504.html

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05347.html

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05398.html

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05525.html

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08015.html 



Please find below some additional claims he has made in 2002, regarding his 

exploits: 

1. worked at CMA (an IT consulting firm) developing management principals (his 

spelling not mine) 

2. worked for the United States government on a program called Krypto (must be 

top secret because a Google search reveals only that it was the dog companion of 

Superboy) 

3. worked for Systems Administration, Networking, and Security Institute 

(sans.org) on BIND security 

4. worked for the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) in Public Key 

Infrastructure (PKI) 

5. worked for the Vietnam Veterans Association 

6. worked for the Dallas Businessmen's Association (a Google search revealed no 

such organization) 

7. worked for the United States Department of Defense as a project coordinator 

on the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET) 

8. worked for the World Trade Organization on General Agreement on Tariffs and 

Trade (GATT) 

9. worked on the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) 

10. attended the Economic Summit meeting held by President George. W. Bush in 

Waco, TX, in August, 2002 

11. worked for the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) for six (6) years on 

Internet Protocol Version 6 

12. flew F-4, F-14, F-18 jets for the United States Marine Corps but is now 

retired

13. is a private pilot

14. to have served as a county judge for 1 year 8 months

15. has a law degree and specializes in trademark, business, and antitrust law

16. given award as "Outstanding Texan" by Texas Chamber of Commerce in 1998 

(Google search reveals Chamber of Commerce are by city only; there is no Texas 

State Chamber of Commerce)

16. performs volunteer police work (and carries a gun!) once a month in the 

state of Texas

17. claims membership in both Texas State Republican Party and Texas State 

Democratic Party Caucuses

18. his family has six attorneys on retainer, two for him, two for his elderly 

parents, and one each for his daughters

19. teaches speed reading and basic reading courses to underprivileged children 

and adults (where does he find the time to do all this and still rant online?) 

20. claims to have US$4555 in a trust account held for icannatlarge.org but 

will not reveal name of bank nor provide any proof of account (and says that he 

can raise US$100K more with little effort)

21. is working with Richard Clark, Chairman of the U.S. Critical Infrastructure 

Protection Board (Cybersecurity Czar) and Andrew Card, Chief of Staff of U.S. 

President Geo. W. Bush Whitehouse Administration, on cyber security issues

22. has over 23 years experience starting up companies including non-profit 

corporations

23. intimidated and threatened to report a fellow member of ICANNatLarge.org to 

the U.S. Homeland Security Department and the F.B.I. for making a comment about 

President Bush (he claims to be on speaking terms with department managements)



The above items are directly from his OWN statements:

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0207/msg00457.html 

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0208/msg00619.html 

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0208/msg00657.html 

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0209/msg00584.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg00641.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg00654.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg00675.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0210/msg01053.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00106.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00200.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00303.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00313.html

http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0211/msg00410.html

http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc11/msg02724.html 

Some other sources for the "real" Jeff Williams:

http://www.angelfire.com/clone/jeffwilliams/



Please find below some additional claims he has made in 2003, regarding his 

exploits:

1. alleges to be in the United States Government Federal Registry but a federal 

registry does not exist; although there is a Federal Register it has no 

association with any Jeff Williams persona regarding related fields or topics 

near what the Zombi/Kook rants (find out for yourself at 

http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html)

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0301/msg00258.

2. claims to be a wireless internet provider for China although his fictitious 

company is not remotely connected with ISP and there is no reference anywhere 

through Google that mentions INEG and China in the same search except for 

postings by Jeff Williams (which means he references himself as proof he exists)

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0303/msg00242.html 

3. seems to have attracted another 2 thousand fictitious members to his fake 

corporation (from 127k to 129k) as stated by his signature

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0303/msg00242.html 

4. accused a fellow member of ICANNatLarge.org of cheating the outcome of 

several internet based elections and when challenged he only made more unfounded 

accusations and provided no proof

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0302/msg00400.html 

5. always talks about members of INEG attending various internet related 

meetings but nobody ever sees them or speaks with them or even finds anyone 

wearing an INEG name tag , and Jeff always says "they are too busy to meet with 

you"

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0303/msg00247.html 

6. claims to be one of the originators of ARPANET

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0303/msg00331.html

7. claims to be an employee of the United States Government and threatened to 

sue another member as well as inform both U.S. and Canadian authorities of 

alleged illegal activities (the member was charged by Jeff of supposedly mailing 

the membership list without authority)

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0304/msg00082.html

8. claims to have over $6700 in funds for ICANNatLarge organization but does 

not provide proof the money exists

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0304/msg00192.html

9. claims to be an informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (F.B.I.) 

of the United States Government

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0304/msg00451.html

10. talks about the openness and transparency of his alleged INEGroup but has 

never revealed even one member's name and, if pressured, will state that one can 

get the membership list via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by the 

United States Government law allowing access to records of Federal agencies (but 

he states that it is available from the FEC which is the Federal Election 

Commission which has nothing to do with INEGroup members)

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0304/msg00466.html 

11. claims to have over 11K members in INEGroup from mainland China

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0305/msg00068.html

12. says he has never lied!!!

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0305/msg00435.html

13. seems to have attracted another 2 thousand fictitious members to his fake 

corporation (from 197k to 131k) as stated by his signature, so why always 2K at 

a time?)

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0305/msg00570.html

14. claims to be an ex-amature (his spelling not mine) boxer in the United 

States Marine Corp (USMC)

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0305/msg00577.html

15. stated that he had turned in at least two members of the elected Panel of 

ICANNatlarge.org to the United States Department of Homeland Security and 

National Infrastructure Protection Center (DHS-NIPC) for alleged fraud

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg00394.html

16. has admitted that he is an informant for the NIPC and tapes all telephone 

calls that he makes to others

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg00622.html

17. says he is a partner in several Real Estate Investment Trusts (REIT) in 

Texas and foreign countries as well as being the owner of a ranch and claims he 

is listed in the Texas Registry and the Federal Registry (there is no Texas 

Registry nor Federal Registry)

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01336.html

18. claims to own property in France and made threats against another 

ICANNatLarge member

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01635.html 

19. claims that he raised US$30K for ICANNatLarge but had to return it to donors because nobody in ICANNatLarge would get bonded (so why didn't HE get bonded?)

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg01795.html

20. posted 462 worthless rants to the ICANNatLarge list

see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0307/msg00022.html







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